They has long been used -
@harith I’m too slow
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I think it’s silly to have a negative opinion of a game over such a small feature, but at the same time I understand why someone would be upset, since transgender/nonbinary people are kind of the big divisive political issue now (although the steam reviews probably aren’t an appropriate place to express political opinions).
In a perfect world, this kinda thing wouldn’t matter, but the world is crazy, and the internet certainly doesn’t help with that.
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I am not sure what’s going on… walk away for 2 hrs due to work, come back and there are 62 posts here… I guess I will have to read through it later…
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yea it’s a finicky thing for some with less sturdy principles /more malleable convictions than yours tho i guess 
most are ofc totally “for” free speech, -all which that includes, (and i think that’s 100% fine and admirable)
then i’ve had conversations with some people about stuff like censoring X/y “stuff”, or hate speech, etc and they’d then think/say well (in their opinion); no somethings should’t be “allowed”(cos x was “bad”) to be expressed then ofc. 
then pointing out, well that’s “technically” restricted speech/expression, and not “free speech”, (even if only slightly),
and we’d a few chuckles when they then remaining adamant on being pro-free speech, (despite the notion some thoughts would consider “free speech -under privilege”) 
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y most are, and if suddenly tomorrow there’s a fascist or other system in place then “most will be ofc totally for” that system (as proven by history) as “most are ofc totally” in fact sheep, as is human nature (and I’m not saying this about anyone here [don’t anyone go think I’m insinuating that, pls]; I’m speaking in general)
The truth is, most of those same ppl who “are ofc totally for” are also the first ones to throw free speech out the window when they are suddenly confronted with the very nasty implications that free speech carries within once they or what they believe in falls victim to that free speech [again, speaking in general, not about anyone, ppl!]
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Zzzzzzzz
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i’d like to think (hopefully) that we’ve come so far, as to “next time”, people who are for free speech(be it 100% or slightly restricted/under responsibility) exactly would keep “speaking” up, -because of the memory of how it was earlier in history when under heel
… wait, could that be construed as some mild manner form of optimism ?? 
i better reel that in so i can remain a proper cynical pessimist 
-nvm everything i just said, we are all doomed! 
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sadly, mah dude, history repeats itself and keeps on repeating itself, and that’s the cold, hard, and sad truth
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Sup. Quick informational link.
Kay bye have a splendid night.
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*vroomvroom
“drive by post” *fiuum 
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If you’re not allergic to laws, investigating how freedom of speech is handled in other countries makes for an interesting read and aids in putting one’s point in global perspective regardless of one’s political stand on the subject.
Here’s a quick and easy on the eyes place to get started, if interested:
(the link if for Wikipedia, with an extension called Wikiwand. Highly recommended.)
OK guys, I’m off now. Catch you all later and stay hydrated. 
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I have just had enough time, last 25 minutes to read through all that was said here, a lot of good points, and certain we are all individuals, so there’s bound to be a difference in opinion. Behind the veil of the internet, this is certain bound to happen, often without filter, and interlaced with disgust. That, unfortuately, is something we face everyday.
It’s terrible to openly express dislike/hate toward people who do not share your views. After all, this is always what I think of to calm me down:
There seems to be some strange sense of superiority that people feel by belittle others, and you are absolutely right. Do I wish everyone agreed? Yes. Do I wish everyone agreed with me? Yes. And by that alone, I know it just can’t happen.
This is truly a barrier that many people feel uncomfortable going near, let alone crossing. Yet it’s the most peaceful approach. Sometimes it’s what they have learned from when they were younger, from friends, parents, family, religion, or just sheer ignorance. People will do what their mind tells them to do, sometimes it’s pleasant and nice, other times malicious and hurtful. Often this does not even come from an intent to hurt/injure, and they just do not know better. It is our duty to make them aware of such things, and to try to collectively try to improve the education and quality of this world that we live in.
Less politics I think, more so what people are unfamiliar with, and thus feel threatened by? This is more psychosocial than political, even though more times than not, it is drummed up into a political discussion to cause vast divides among people and for politicians to draw popularity and votes.
Barriers of the internet + ignorance + fear of what they do not know and are unfamiliar with. The unknown is threatening. And they feel a need to bend opinions and views based on what they know. Sadly, this seems to be everywhere…
This drives me absolutely crazy, that people are choosing to not vaccinate their kids, “under religious reasons” they will say. But this is to protect everyone… I am incredibly saddened by the anti-vaxers and their strong following.
You have a mind capable of compassion, of empathy, of embracing individuality, not everyone can be like you, my dear friend.
No, this is often an area that is difficult for many people to understand. Here in the US, about 1% of the population identifies as being transgender, this forum has 6100+ registrants, and so by statistics, if we can generalize the US to World, means that there are approximately 61 people registered here who are transgender. See @coralinecastell’s post above to have some introductory information. Outside of the standard binary, where a person is born with the organs that they identify with, express themselves through the norms recognized and accepted by society, and are attracted to individuals of the opposite gender, there is a lot more possible combinations out there. If there’s anything I can add, and to maybe simplify it, if at all possible, there’s a representation of what is called a “Genderbread Person”:
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At a glance, you can see there’s these things I have pointed out already. There’s the physical gender at birth, the gender identity, which is how a person views him/her/themselves. There is the physical expression, as in how they present themselves to the world, and there’s the physical attraction component. Each person is different, and there’s a spectrum within each of these, not just One or Another.
For some insight into transgendered individuals, there’s a game on Steam that I played through, it is this one:
(Sorry if I gave some possible spoilers about the game.)
I hope I do not anger anyone with this lengthy post as well. I totally understand that this topic is a no-go zone for a lot of people who are uncomfortable with it.
Very good point, not to mention there are plenty of men who play female game characters and vice-versa.
Absolutely agree, I hope the Genderbread Person idea above has some information that you can gain some insight from. I am all for educating as many people on the subject as possible.
Not to try to bring too much laughter to a heavy subject, but there’s a website dedicated to poorly made laws or obsolete laws that are still in the books and effective. Not all of these are stupid or funny, but many are.
Agreed, nobody is perfect, unfortunately. But hopefully each of us tries our best to be as good as possible. Often this intention of being good actually turns out to be harmful. I won’t name any specific things from history, but there are so many examples. And in that way, we are perhaps more flawed than we can compensate for individually. But hopefully as a collective humanity, we can turn our future toward the right direction.
“They” is actually a pronoun often preferred by many transgendered individuals, while others may opt to go with “he” or “she.”
I do hope for a perfect world, but I think most of us recognizes that we do not live in one. Unfortunately, not Everything is For the Best In the Best of All Possible Worlds (Candide).
Hopefully not, I do hope we can help each other out and learn from each other, so that we avoid making mistakes, and improve humanity as a whole.
Disclaimer: Everything I have said above reflects my own opinions and views, and does not reflect the views and beliefs by Chrono. Please do not hold Chrono responsible for what I have said. I love this community and its members. If anyone is in disagreement, I would be happy to chat, publicly or privately. As you can probably tell if you bothered to read through everything I have typed, is that I am, in general, and optimist and hopeful individual. 
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gets excited to check out Brazil’ link and possibly see the whole constitution there (…) Brazil is not there.
@Enki sigh initiate operation Sloth Slaughter again. Let’s straighten some web moderators up. rides capybara into the horizon
omg THIS IS AMAZING. Holy flying flame-balls this is genius. I love Candide, I love Voltaire, I love musicals, I love opera. I’m giggling so much. Cheered my bleak night, thank you so much, @YQMaoski. waters her garden
Love this.
Great game, guys! Also available on mobile, at Google Play and itunes.
For more games by transgender people, check out one of my fave creators of all life: Porpentine. She basically creates text games on Twine, all super fun and quirky to Mars and back – and they’re also super short. Dunno where to start? I recommend Cyberqueen because I’m weird.
She’s a BIG name in the Twine creation scene. Check out this personal and insightful interview for the NY times magazine. A snippet:
“I get really polarized reactions,” Porpentine said in Oakland. “I deal with really violent stuff, but I also get really loving, passionate stuff. It moves me very deeply.” She suggested that the backlash against her work came in part from the rarity of hearing a voice like hers at all: a transgender woman making challenging games about subjects many people would prefer to avoid. “A lot of my work deals with these topics of abuse that I feel are incredibly common to any feminine person’s life,” she said. “But it feels like this big secret. Life is hella traumatic. It’s weird to me, because if you have an injury, why wouldn’t you want to figure out the best way of dealing with it?”
She’s pure 
For more games that deal with the transgender subject, check out the “transgender” tag at itch.io.
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I can honestly say that I do not understand how someone can be “Transgender”. To change your gender, would you not need to alter your very chromosomes (XX → XY or reverse)?
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i think that depends entirely whether or not you do/can subscribe to the concept of sex being separate from gender (notice the neat little reference “genderbread” diagram for instance @YQMaoski put in)
since the 19’s-something it’s been more and more regarded of there being sorta 2different “forms” of gender; the one we used to tie to sex/biology male-female, and the one from social aspect man-woman/masculine-feminine
as a contrast, from a biological gender point where “females give birth”, it’s an imposed social gender norm that “women” are “housewifes”/stay at home -the one has nothing to do with the other, ie. female sex did not necessitate a special/specific social norm corresponding to the gender or sex
^(way oversimplification btw)
so now that we have a “basis” for 2 genders,
then it’s possible to identify as either(since you are no longer “locked” to having just 1gender), just for starters, and then it can also be possible to consider that the biological sex assigned isn’t correct; that even tho you were born male/female you identify as the opposite/either/both -without the need to alter your “biological base”/chromosomes,
since that’s not what makes you man or woman or other, but merely determines your reproductive capability/“method”
so while male/female was/is terms tied to sex/biology and science, gender moves/can move past some boundaries
sorta like why the notion of an A type=“a real man” is laughed at these days a bit more than old days: -you don’t need X or Y to tell you you’re “a real man”
same way sex reassignment surgery doesn’t change the “sex” of a transitioning person, merely their sexreproductive parts/their “outside” to match with how they prefer/identify inside
-and i’m pretty sure you don’t need to rearrange stuff down to a chromosomal level, to accomplish a level of identity comfort. Since it’s probably highly doubtful any of us can “feel”/notice our chromosomes on a daily basis anyway
again, disclaimer, likely highly oversimplified, and is merely partially sorta how i understood some of all this stuff when i absorbed some of this info (if it was something you were more interested in you should just look around, there is plenty of stuff discussing both/multiple aspects of all this ofc)
-but the basis of it simply being whether or not a person can get along with the initial idea; of biological sex being a separate part from gender “these days”
people that do, usually don’t see much fuss, those that don’t tend to have more varying degrees of opinions/attitude towards transness/gender “fluidity”
^i guess it could a tiny bit be compared to the notion some religious people have that homosexuality is “wrong”, because they interpreted that way in a book, and are “rigid”/set in their ways/old habits/beliefs, -despite from any other point there isn’t anything wrong 
-otherwise biology would surely had evolved to where human “parts” behaved liked magnets when 2 of the same +/-poles were put together(and bounced away)…
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To summarise gnuffi’s post
sex=/=gender
we just use the same words to describe both so that doesn’t help with the confusion
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you sayin’ a 500 word paper can be summarized to a 2½ word+symbols single pargraph?!?? 
… that’s it! 
all. that. time…!
from now on you write all my posts!
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And then you keep editing and I see somewhere the text moved now I have to try and work out what was changed then I forget where I was up to so end up reading the whole thing again
so annoying
isn’t it
really hope you are actually seeing this
otherwise the joke is completely lost
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This is something I wholly disagree with because it is an artificial and forced redefinition of the word. The term you’re you’re actually looking for is “gender expression”. This terms very existence hinges on the idea that sex = gender. Same goes with gender norms and every other such term. A person born female can chose to express themselves male but this does not change their sex nor gender, they’ve just chosen to adapt a different set of gender stereotypical behavioural patterns and clothing styles. Once you get into actual transitioning from one gender to the other then we merely begin to alter the physical configuration of our bodies and at that point who’s male or female and in which circumstances they’re allowed to be either ranges very much with a lot of very angry opinions on every side. Very few facts involved.
@YQMaoski
The 1% figure for TG population is not something I can find support for. Unfortunately, as I have lamented throughout this, the politics and research on these topics are very inflammatory and agenda driven so it is very hard to find any proper and trustworthy sources on ANYTHING. But for the most part I do believe the actual TG population of the US tends to be accepted to be around 0.01% to 0.5%. Though you’ can find find sources fully willing to claim it’s as high as 5%-10% without any sort of supporting evidence but the “knowledge” that everyone’s TG and just don’t want to tell you.
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