You guys do know that a debate doesn’t work like that, right? If you make a claim, you back it up. You don’t tell the other person to do your work for you, or to “use google”. Lord. Thank you regardless for the link, I will read over it now.
No, what it was is an ad hominem in order to reduce the other person’s argument without actually arguing against it. You know the terms fanboys and fanboyism comes from a “taboo” stance, so you use it to dismiss me.
Lastly, acknowledging that 13m copies being sold despite its issues as proof that gamers don’t mind bugs is not an admission of fanboyism, nor should you have assumed it was. It was a statement of what is obviously true.
Because I don’t believe in a fanatical statement that they did this all deliberately?
Fanboyism would be me denying every ounce of what was said against Cyberpunk, and refusing to acknowledge they had issues, or pretending its all perfect. Fanboyism is an extreme stance, of someone unwilling to acknowledge issues with something they adore. I think I’ve shown clearly that I don’t approve of the state of the game and that I am not trying to excuse away the state in which it was released, only that the garbage we have was not out of intention to scam people. But sure… let’s stick with “I’m a fanboy!”, it rolls easier.
Do you mean between PS4s, or different consoles entirely, like PS4 vs Xbox One? If the later, no…they aren’t identical.
ahh i see what’s going on, we have different definitions of “fanboi” and fanboi’ism
someone accepting of bugs isn’t necessarily a fanboi, but someone defending “this”/what’s going on, what you are/attempting, is indeed (imo) fanboying.
we aren’t making the initial claims you did, you said there were no deception/CDPR didn’t “know”/merely being neglectful, then you have to prove it(according to your debate rules), we then countered the part you used as proof(because it wasn’t).
You then wanting us to direct you to sources, of something that has been widespread in (games) media the past almost 2 weeks, then just shows that you A either had complete blinders on, or B are stanning CDPR and you need something “big” as counter to shatter that belief
I have no dog in this fight, i’m not a PS4/X1 CP77 user, but the way and what you are defending CDPR/this launch is indeed, imo, fanboy levels, because you are not just ignoring obvious things, you are straight up refusing the reality/“what everyone says”(not just me and fraggles)
^the devs themselves saying the game wasn’t ready, should be all you needed as “proof” something was wrong with this launch/deception was at play.
You accepting/not caring about that is another matter, but you are going hard to fend off criticism of CDPR/the launch, when it’s so glaringly obvious valid criticism.
You liking the game/enjoying it doesn’t even play in here. We aren’t saying it’s a bad game, we aren’t even saying there is something wrong with the game, we are saying there is something wrong with the launch, and specially CDPR management for doing this, (even against advice from dev team).
But somehow it seems like you are taking, the factual sht show of PS4/X1, and everything leading up to it, as an attack, on either your game/or something connected to you. CDPR is just a company, they aren’t your friend you need to shield in a fight, so ignoring what’s going on doesn’t counter the criticism, nor does it serve you any benefit. - the game working fine for you on PC/being enjoyable is fine, but you should not just go ignore what’s going on despite that, because then it might just be you it bites next time.
except i did argue against it?, repeatedly?? and the “fanboy” can the (imo) appropriately be used to display absurdity of the repeated “flaws” happening - and i used that quote, about “you”/gamers forgiving bugs, because it was completely apt in the context; that is what publishers bank on. - and to me is an element of fanboyism when someone is willing to “forgive” a certain level of borkedness. Because srs… why? how? if sht is objectively broken, how “fan” do you have to be to not just accept it, but forgive it… it’ baffles me, it’s like customers pandering to corporations “we should be grateful just because they gave us these scraps of something we liked before” - it’s a mindset i don’t understand, and it’s only accepted with games for some reason, so yes, fanboyism (imo)
how is that counter proof for fanboism?, what does it state is “true”? that hype and marketing works?, that people are ridiculously accepting of issues and willing to continuously lowering their launch standards? - like i said before, CB77 selling well, and continuing to do so, is not a “good thing”; it will only serve to incentivize this crap more and more, even from CDPR again
^when you can release a product that is more borked than AC unity, ME Andromeda, and FO76, and not only make a profit, but make the game cost+profit, despite refunds - you can betcha this will become more and more prevalent in the industry, and possibly wont even be the last time we see this launch acceptance from CDPR management either
i didn’t say that did it?
but you still only have to QA/playtest 6 different systems, that’s not hard to spot how borked your sht is(console QA will always be “simple” compared to PC).
Yes development/responding to that would be different and indeed require time etc, but that’s not what’s being said or going on; they ran it by QA, someone, at QA informed the team it was performing like ass on PS4/X1 - dev team even tells management about it, management still goes ahead with launch. it wasn’t “missed” it was, deliberately ignored, by management - to the point the CEO lied about it
I would say that the investors gearing up for a class action lawsuit against CDPR management for misleading information on consoles is pretty good proof that they lied. I love the game but I am also on PC so not many bugs. They really should have delayed or cancelled the PS4/XB1 launch.
this game is rly frikkin huge; a google search tells me a completionist playthrough is 69 hours, but i just dont see how that’s possible
I’m 75 hours in as it stands. I’m only maybe 1/3 into the main storyline cuz i only now and then dip into that, but i’ve been doing side missions left and right all the time, and also taking care of gangs etc., but regardless, the game keeps on adding new missions (not randomly generated; they are limited) and the map is frikkin lit up with side missions to do still
i still stand by that this will probably end up being my favorite game ever; i rly think it is at this point; especially the consistent quality of the story and the side missions blow games like GTA V, for example, (I know that’s not the best example but i used it cuz at this point this is what this game is often being compared to) completely out of the water