Steam new Remote Play Together Feature

Danacscott · November 20, 2019, 11:53pm

Own Degree of Separation and Moon Hunters.

Notice Cuphead isn’t on sale, but in the list. Herm.

DarkDemonXR · November 21, 2019, 12:01am

Dont really know if someone mentioned but Obscure games are viable with play together, as far as I know they are the only survival horror games that can be played cooperative. Playing it right now with a friend without much problems except the ocassionally lag spike on me (the one is looking the stream)

coralinecastell · November 21, 2019, 1:36pm

Realized @Pylinaer didn’t post here so I’m going to.

He and I played a bit of Broforce – I’m so bad at this game I want to evaporate – and although it was quite fun, I did notice some sudden drops in quality, AKA: pixelation. For example, you know when you’re streaming a video and suddenly the quality drops to 360p and you’re brutally reminded of how YouTube looked in 2008? That.

Worth noting he’s in the US and I’m in ~~The Banana Republic~~ Brazil. Our average ping was 182.

Playable, but not as smooth as a baby’s butt. 3/5.

Yeah! Noticed Children of Morta is on an all-time low at 25% off. Really tempted to get it but, then again, would only be able to play it a week’s time, and by then it’ll be Black Friday… so might hold off.

Pylinaer · November 25, 2019, 5:22am

“The full launch extends remote local multiplayer to iOS and Android devices using the Steam Link app.”

Pylinaer · November 25, 2019, 5:38am

Double posting because I’m a heathen.

I’m going to be posting some logs. please read above to understand what they mean.

Logs take up space

DANASCOTT
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[2019-11-17 20:24:53] “SessionStats”
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[2019-11-17 21:03:54] “SessionStats”
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YQMaoski
[2019-11-02 15:58:09] “SessionStats”
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CORALINECASTELL
[2019-11-20 19:05:13] “SessionStats”
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KSIB

[2019-11-22 20:36:40] “SessionStats”
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Take aways:

AvgDisplayMS and StdDevDisplayMS are garbage metrics and will be tossed out in future test runs. If you can have a negative DisplayMS that means something is affecting it that throws it way off.
Internet connections are the limiting factor. You can see that SlowNetwork was the #1 cause of problems. I believe this is also what causes the DisplayMS to go wild.
Steam can potentially stream up to 144FPS! This happened with ksib. I think this is a client setting.
Ping and lag, thus far, have been relatively under control. @coralinecastell has had the highest ping yet. I still need someone from the EU & NZ/AU to volunteer themselves though.

Edit: Other places are fine too btw. If you live in Africa or something you’re not excluded from volunteering.

By the way, volunteering just means we find a game I have and play it for a while. It’s not like I’m rigorously testing anything.

Yeah so this is a host setting to keep performance. I have turned it off if you want to get more Americanized for your trip here (BROFORCE!)

Fraggles · November 25, 2019, 5:49am

I wouldn’t mind testing things out with you from the EU side, most nights this week would work for me.

coralinecastell · November 25, 2019, 11:43am

@AcornAvenger

Pylinaer · November 26, 2019, 1:55am

@Fraggles

Frag's Stats

[2019-11-25 19:37:18] “SessionStats”
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Again see that Network is the primary slow down.

However, 142 MS is decent for EU to US, not amazing, but decent.

Danacscott · November 26, 2019, 3:03am

@Pylinaer My dude, where should that log file be again? With luck, I’ll have a bit of trial run with a friend in Spain - he’s hosting of course.

Update:
. Fossil Hunters - we got in game, but he needed to delete his save to play with me, then it didn’t work.
. Aqua Kitty - I couldn’t join as player 2 for some reason. No sound.
. Pang Adventures - no sound and couldn’t set up myself to play with controller as 2nd player.
. Then his controller batteries died, lol.
. TowerFall Ascension - no sound. Controls in game unresponsive. He’s restarting his system.

AcornAvenger · November 26, 2019, 7:56pm

First 10 seconds:

(Thank you for thinking of me - Infiltration of Africa has begun)

delenn13 · November 26, 2019, 8:29pm

This is what I think about when I think “Africa.”

This was in the comments of one of the videos. I watched 3…LOL

Fun Fact: This song was so popular they named a continent after it.

hivefleetbothan · November 28, 2019, 4:06am

Happy you linked to the original and not the weezer cover.

Buzzyboii · November 28, 2019, 2:57pm

Weezer is just…no.

YQMaoski · November 28, 2019, 3:44pm

But Weird Al is so good…

But I am very biased, I have liked everything he has done, for many years now…

hivefleetbothan · November 28, 2019, 8:46pm

I wouldn’t call that biased, his body of work is frankly startlingly prolific both in quantity and quality.

He has, in my opinion, somehow become a pillar of American Musical Culture simply by virtue of reinterpreting and working through the medium of others.

delenn13 · November 28, 2019, 9:34pm

Not a big fan of cover songs…

I love him too. He does more parody or satire.