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#4

Because every time we win we only win a reprieve until they find another way to attempt to ruin it. They only need to win once to make it stick pretty hard. That’s why every fight is the last big one because if we lose, that might very well be it.

This time we need congress to overrule the FCC’s attempts to throw out the regulations that were hard won quite a few years back. They have clearly stated their intentions and they will do so unless congress votes to stop it. This happens tomorrow.


#5

I appreciate u trying @Fraggles, but i truly am sry for yr (and everyone’s) loss; if not tomorrow (but probably tomorrow), then quite soon anyhow

i’m not telling anyone to not try btw, but i just wanna express how i feel about this (and a lot of other, similar, shit)

[also it’s kinda different for me as i already live in a place where they do whatever the hell they want whenever they want anyhow, and they don’t even need to change laws or anything like that, though they do like to pretend to]


#6

goodnewseveryone

The senate voted in favour of net neutrality 52-47. Now we'll just have to wait for everything else to go wrong and try to fix that too.

#7

nice, unexpected (to me, at least), lol


#9

so while in the US they are dealing with that, (and passed “a” hurdle)
in the mean time in the EU, this sht is still a thing

srs, how?, what’s up with these fossils and their weird stance towards “our” internet,
how/why the fck is corporate lobbying even legal?, it’s gd damn public bribery
fck copyright trolls in their stupid faces

and when the heeeell will people learn algorithms doesn’t work even closely enough to make sht like this enacted proper :man_facepalming:

if you live in the EU, and like YT, instagram, reddit, forums/blogs, “stuff”, places, etc well, anything really, or just like to “upload”/share a pic or quote that you “technically” didn’t author/create, you might want to start getting angry at your politicians/MEP for even remotely considering bowing into a couple of business’ hands like this :thinking:

https://saveyourinternet.eu/

anyway, just a thought :man_shrugging:
-i’m always pretty pessimistic and believe we are doomed from the start, but maybe i’ll get proven wrong…


#10

#11

i know it’s all a bit light hearted and such in good spirit, and he probably does a have a few fair points valid atm (for the US)
-but i’m still legit terrified of the state of “our” internet and its next decade.
The GDPR alone had some “annoying” consequences, can only imagine the sting it was for some actual entities/business (hell a few games even had it be part of their reasons for “dying”)
and the proposed online eu copyright directive, has parts that can be viewed as down right scary, -even as just an internet “user” not just for businesses/platforms…

if douchebags keeps getting their way, wont be surprised the day we get vpn bans or china like internet here :worried: #BornPessimist #WhyEvenFight #WeAreAllDoomed(anyway) #Marvin


#12

yup, lost that vote :roll_eyes: :man_facepalming: :face_with_head_bandage:
-that’s it, i’m going back to bed. Wake me when corporations aren’t allowed to buy politics anymore :tired_face::expressionless:
:sleeping:


Memes, Memes Everywhere
#13


#14

Well good news everyone… for now.
The EU parliament rejected the entire copyright directive today. So it goes back and gets tinkered with for a bit, probably making it worse, then gets voted on again in september. This is unfortunately how the EU operates, don’t get the result you wanted? Vote again until you do!

Also, fuck Paul McCartney.


#15

Yup, fuck Paul.


#16

I went to the effort of finding the voting records. Find out what your EU people are named, search this post for them and see if they voted for or against. Then go nicely convince them of the error of their ways if they’re in the for section.

I2. A8-0245/2018 - Axel Voss - Décision d'engager des négociations
interinstitutionnelles
05/07/2018 12:13:21.000
These assholes voted for
278
+
ALDE: Ali, Arthuis, Calvet Chambon, Cavada, Cornillet, Deprez, Goerens, Griesbeck, Grigule-Pēterse, Hyusmenova,
Jäätteenmäki, Katainen, Lalonde, Løkkegaard, Marinho e Pinto, Michel, Petersen, Ries, Riquet, Rochefort, Rohde,
Vehkaperä, Verhofstadt
ECR: Dzhambazki, Foster, Henkel, Karim, Kölmel, McClarkin, McIntyre, Marias, Matthews, Nicholson, Procter, Sernagiotto,
Starbatty, Swinburne, Tannock, Zīle
EFDD: Bergeron, Chauprade, Monot
ENF: Arnautu, Bilde, Boutonnet, Briois, Colombier, Goddyn, Jalkh, Lebreton, Lechevalier, Loiseau, Martin Dominique, Mélin,
Schaffhauser, Troszczynski
GUE/NGL: Chrysogonos, Le Hyaric, Omarjee, Vieu
NI: Dodds, Gollnisch, Woolfe
PPE: Ademov, Alliot-Marie, Arimont, Ashworth, Bach, Balz, Becker, Bendtsen, Bogovič, Buda, Buşoi, Cadec, van de Camp,
Casa, Caspary, Cirio, Clune, Coelho, Collin-Langen, Danjean, Dantin, Dati, Delahaye, Deli, Deß, Deutsch, Díaz de Mera
García Consuegra, Didier, Ehler, Engel, Erdős, Faria, Ferber, Fernandes, Gahler, Gál, Gardini, Gieseke, Girling, Gräßle,
Grossetête, Hayes, Hohlmeier, Hölvényi, Hortefeux, Jahr, Járóka, Joulaud, Juvin, Kalniete, Karas, Kefalogiannis, Kelam,
Kelly, Koch, Kósa, Kovatchev, Kuhn, Kyrtsos, Lamassoure, de Lange, Langen, La Via, Lavrilleux, Liese, Lins, LópezIstúriz
White, McAllister, Maletić, Mandl, Mann, Marinescu, Martusciello, Matera, Maullu, Metsola, Millán Mon, Moisă,
Morano, Morin-Chartier, Mureşan, Nagy, Niebler, Novakov, Pabriks, Petir, Pieper, Polčák, Preda, Proust, QuisthoudtRowohl,
Radtke, Rangel, Reding, Ribeiro, Rolin, Ruas, Rübig, Saïfi, Salini, Sander, Saudargas, Schmidt, Schöpflin,
Schreijer-Pierik, Schulze, Schwab, Sógor, Šojdrová, Sommer, Stolojan, Šuica, Szájer, Tőkés, Tolić, Ţurcanu, Urutchev,
Vaidere, Valcárcel Siso, Vandenkendelaere, Verheyen, Voss, Vozemberg-Vrionidi, Weber Manfred, Wieland, Winkler Iuliu,
Zammit Dimech, Zeller, Zovko
S&D: Aguilera García, Anderson Lucy, Andrieu, Androulakis, Arena, Ayala Sender, Balas, Bayet, Berès, Blanco López, Bonafè,
Boştinaru, Bresso, Cabezón Ruiz, Corbett, Costa, Cristea, Dance, Danti, De Castro, De Monte, Fernández, Ferrandino,
García Pérez, Gardiazabal Rubial, Gasbarra, Gentile, Gill Neena, Gloanec Maurin, Grammatikakis, Grapini, Griffin,
Gualtieri, Guerrero Salom, Guillaume, Gutiérrez Prieto, Honeyball, Howarth, Jáuregui Atondo, Khan, Kouroumbashev,
Kyrkos, McAvan, Maňka, Martin Edouard, Maurel, Mavrides, Moody, Morgano, Nica, Palmer, Papadakis Demetris,
Pargneaux, Pavel, Peillon, Picierno, Popa, Revault d'Allonnes Bonnefoy, Rodrigues Liliana, Rodrigues Maria João,
Rodríguez-Piñero Fernández, Rozière, Sant, Sârbu, Sassoli, Serrão Santos, Silva Pereira, Simon Siôn, Smolková,
Tănăsescu, Țapardel, Tarabella, Thomas, Toia, Valenciano, Vaughan, Ward, Zoană, Zoffoli, Zorrinho
Verts/ALE: Bové, Cramer, Delli, Harms, Rivasi, Trüpel
These people had some god damned sense and voted against
318
-
ALDE: Auštrevičius, van Baalen, Bearder, Becerra Basterrechea, Bilbao Barandica, Federley, Giménez Barbat, Harkin, Hirsch,
Huitema, in 't Veld, Jakovčić, Ježek, Kallas, Klinz, Kyuchyuk, Mazuronis, Meissner, van Miltenburg, Müller, Nagtegaal,
Nart, Paet, Radoš, Schaake, Selimovic, Telička, Toom, Torvalds, Tremosa i Balcells, Uspaskich, Vajgl, Vautmans, Weber
Renate, Wierinck, Wikström
ECR: Bashir, Belder, Campbell Bannerman, Czarnecki, Czesak, Dalton, Demesmaeker, Dohrmann, Flack, Fotyga, Gericke,
Gosiewska, Halla-aho, Hoc, Jurek, Kamall, Karski, Kłosowski, Krupa, Kuźmiuk, Loones, Lucke, Lundgren, Messerschmidt,
Ożóg, Piecha, Piotrowski, Poręba, Rebega, Ruohonen-Lerner, Škripek, Stevens, Sulík, Theocharous, Tomaševski,
Tomašić, Trebesius, Van Bossuyt, Vistisen, Winberg, Wiśniewska, Žitňanská, Złotowski
EFDD: Adinolfi, Agnew, Aiuto, Aker, Arnott, Batten, Beghin, Bullock, Coburn, Collins, Corrao, D'Amato, (The Earl of) Dartmouth,
D'Ornano, Evi, Ferrara, Gill Nathan, Hookem, Meuthen, Montel, O'Flynn, Parker, Payne, Pedicini, Philippot, Reid,
Tamburrano, Valli, Zullo
ENF: Annemans, Bay, Bizzotto, Borghezio, Ciocca, Elissen, de Graaff, Lancini, Marusik, Pretzell, Scottà, Stuger, Zijlstra, Żółtek
GUE/NGL: Anderson Martina, Benito Ziluaga, Björk, Boylan, Carthy, Chountis, Couso Permuy, Eck, Ernst, Ferreira, Flanagan,
González Peñas, Hazekamp, de Jong, Kari, Konečná, Kouloglou, Kuneva, Kyllönen, López Bermejo, Lösing, Matias,
Michels, Mineur, Ní Riada, Papadimoulis, Pimenta Lopes, Sakorafa, Sánchez Caldentey, Schirdewan, Scholz, Spinelli,Sylikiotis, Torres Martínez, Vallina, Vergiat, Viegas
NI: Balczó, Borrelli, Carver, Epitideios, Fountoulis, James, Kovács, Papadakis Konstantinos, Sonneborn, Sośnierz,
Ujazdowski, Voigt, Zarianopoulos
PPE: Boni, Dorfmann, Fjellner, Gambús, Grzyb, Hetman, Hökmark, Jazłowiecka, Kalinowski, Kozłowska-Rajewicz, Kudrycka,
Łukacijewska, Olbrycht, Peterle, Pietikäinen, Plura, Rosati, Siekierski, Szejnfeld, Thun und Hohenstein, Ungureanu,
Vălean, Virkkunen, Zdechovský
S&D: Assis, Benifei, Beňová, Blinkevičiūtė, Borzan, Briano, Caputo, Childers, Christensen, Cofferati, Cozzolino, Dalli, Delvaux,
Detjen, Ertug, Fajon, Fleckenstein, Freund, Gabelic, Gebhardt, Geier, Geringer de Oedenberg, Gierek, Giuffrida, Gomes,
Graswander-Hainz, Guteland, Hoffmann, Jaakonsaari, Jongerius, Kadenbach, Kammerevert, Kaufmann, Kofod, Kohn,
Köster, Krehl, Kumpula-Natri, Kyenge, Lange, Lietz, Ludvigsson, Łybacka, Mamikins, Mayer Alex, Melior, Mizzi, Molnár,
Nekov, Neuser, Niedermüller, Noichl, Padar, Panzeri, Paolucci, Picula, Piri, Pirinski, Post, Preuß, Regner, Rodust,
Schaldemose, Schlein, Schuster, Sehnalová, Simon Peter, Sippel, Stihler, Szanyi, Ujhelyi, Ulvskog, Van Brempt, Viotti,
Weidenholzer, von Weizsäcker, Werner, Westphal, Wölken, Zala, Zanonato, Zemke
Verts/ALE:Affronte, Andersson, Auken, Buchner, Bütikofer, Dalunde, Durand, Eickhout, Evans, Franz, Giegold, Hautala, Jadot, Jávor,
Joly, Keller Ska, Lambert, Lamberts, Lochbihler, Marcellesi, Meszerics, Metz, Mitrofanovs, Reda, Reimon, Reintke, Ropė,
Scott Cato, Škrlec, Smith, Solé, Šoltes, Staes, Tarand, Taylor, Terricabras, Urtasun, Valero, Vana, Waitz
These probably just didn't get the bribes they were hoping for and abstained
31 0
ALDE: Charanzová, Dlabajová, Pagazaurtundúa Ruiz
ECR: Macovei, Mobarik, Tošenovský
ENF: Kappel, Mayer Georg, Obermayr, Vilimsky
GUE/NGL: Hadjigeorgiou
PPE: Csáky, Kukan, Malinov, Mikolášik, Niedermayer, Pospíšil, Štefanec, Štětina, Šulin, Svoboda, Wenta, Winkler Hermann,
Záborská, Zdrojewski, Zver
S&D: Bettini, Frunzulică, Liberadzki, Poc, dos Santos

You’re going to have to figure out the names of your own people in order to find them, only last names seem to be listed.
Here’s the source document if you want to peruse any other votes

I am happy to report that every Swedish representative voted against. Except for 3 of them who I can’t seem to find, not sure if that means they were not present and did not vote or something else.


#17

the most scary part is the vote was only “decided” by like 40 people, that’s what 5% or something? so tiny a group of people/margin it’s scary af…
really comforting to see how the media group lobbying paid off to have so many people in their pocket…
“link tax” pff… does "capitalism"greed hold no bounds… :triumph:
anyways, here’s to holding off/being grumpy again in September :beers:


#18

Well, this is everyone’s fault for not electing me Overlord of Earth and All Reality. We would not have to put up with stupid laws like this under my benevolent rule.

You may take issue with some of my other policies though


#19

I’d vote for Thanos I think.


#20

Why would you vote for the lesser evil?


#21

aaand 438 for to 226 against… the motion passes… copyright trolls rubbing their hands together in glee and anticipation everywhere :+1:
:unamused:


#22

+1 for net neutrality, even thou in reality it allready doesnt exist in germany when internet providers offer contracts that include services that dont count towards your monthly download volume

EDIT: I just had to add @Fraggles is one of my favourite tv-shows from when i was a kid.


#23

Well if the people win then they just make a new vote. :neutral_face:


#24

Well you already saw what happens when people tried to vote. FCC took down their website, making it impossible to register votes and peoples’ voice. They claiming they got DDosed and then later claiming they did it for some internal affair. Sounds like all bullshit to me. Welcome to democracy.