Inb4 the hatred of EGS exclusivity comes in for the hate
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how is âhatredâ/dislike against arbitrary exclusivity a bad thing?
customer-wise epic exclusives is not a âgoodâ thing since the PC ecosystem doesnât âbelongâ to Epic 
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I didnât say my opinion on it. I just say people will inevitably lost their heads if that were to happen.
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well yea, but i donât think itâs an unreasonable reaction to that type of âbehaviorâ/exclusives on PC
or maybe iâm just reading too much into it when you use words like âlose their headsâ and âhatredâ - and you donât actually intent to imply any negative connotations ? 
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Considering its significance and the impact it has on any one personâs life, Iâd say itâs grossly unreasonable.
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how so?
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What do you feel is more damaging to us: the fact that weâre not getting the toys we want, the way we want them, or those negative, leisure related emotions, which fester within?
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idono, the fact you can only buy them one place, on their terms (at least for a year for the timed exclusives), or the fact that because of Epic pc âimportâ games are reduced, so now i also donât even have the option to buy them âlocallyâ if itâs not AAA games allowed to be sold here retail (with epic connection ofc - but thatâs a given).
How about 0 competition for any game Epic doesnât âgenerouslyâ allow to be sold on Humble? or at least heavily reduced competition. Or that because of all of the above you now have to pay 1 price, a more expensive price, for your pc games, because Epic sets the âpriceâ they want (even if just through currency conversion)
no drm free opportunity anymore since Epic removed that, the way i understood it from @Tencore family âshareâ also went out the window(no idea if fixed or if epic plans to)
how about user choice of platform if you donât âlikeâ to support 1 company/donât want âchinese spywareâ or whatever silly conspiracy one might have for preferring another platform.
Someone prefering GoG, or Steam for whatever reason, now donât have a âchoiceâ, on an open platform, but are forced into 1 thing because of openly monopolistic practices and desires - something with only worse potential outcome the longer it goes on (ex if Epic becomes the new âdefactoâ monopoly over steam)
how about them having shit service and infamous reputation for handling things; which you are now bound to.
Once again being âforcedâ onto 1 platform, just like steam, with 0 security or âownershipâ over what you buy (unless they brought the drm free feature back?), something some people might like even less because of âmuh nefarious Tencentâ
in what way is it âgrossly unacepptableâ to dislike, or even be mad about a monopoly practice and monopoly build up and arbitrary removal of your customer/player choice and option as a result of it?
Epic store is great for moomoo for example, because of their regional pricing atm at least. For me personally, like i mentioned during the sale, after they switched itâs now a more expensive store for me, not just compared to local retailers - but then again, i donât have to worry about local retailers anymore, since Epic removed 98% choice of that 
so yea, let me/âusâ be âhappyâ about all that, and just consume things without thoughts concern or opinions/reactions, like good little customers should be, since after all a purchase is never a wholly âselfishâ choice and purely made for the benefit of the producer so we should have no regard for anything related to said purchase and just be happy about the product in hand no matter everything else involved.
and as the final, why should we not be allowed to dislike it âreasonâ - how about Epic doing not just exactly the same thing they are currently fighting lawsuits against, but they are doing it in an ecosystem they didnât foster/had 0 âanythingâ vested in, yet straight up engages in direct monopolistic practices despite them fighting against it elsewhere when it benefits them - hypocrisy, but we should ofc not have a thought about such or allow ourselves to get âemotionalâ/form opinions because of that
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yeah, was actually thinking of buying Hitman 3 for just $19 today actually, but then I realized I still havenât played Hitman 2 yet 
so might as well wait for a sale, maybe Iâll have gotten to 2 by then
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can you get that even more reduced if you wait for sale and get the coupon?
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yes, but any sale will probably push price below $14.99 anyways, and then you canât use the coupon.
and too bad u canât use coupon for pre-purchase cuz otherwise Iâd have scooped that up for just $9
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@Gnuffi You seem to be dismissing one alternative - the option to not consume and not partake; to vote with the wallet, and spare the feels for something more substantial.
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hmm, itâs been way too long, and ofc IO business have changed, but i canât recall if theyâd actually do a 25% discount that soon after release
granted it will also depend on âwhenâ next epic sale, which includes a coupon, will be.
did they do a coupon last spring, or was it skipped and only for the summer sale?
my guess is they/IO might not pay super much attention to currency conversion and base their discounts off the standard price so maybe if youâre lucky it wont reach that high discount % and you get a coupon for valentine, chinese new year or spring or something and get to have
-and in the meantime you can then finish Hitman 2
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yeah, so far i think thereâs been a coupon every single time; iâve even had overlapping coupons once but iâm pretty sure theyâre going to avoid that going forward cuz last coupon (few weeks ago) was valid only as long as last sale
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nonoo, iâm totally doing that, but if someone actually wants a game, because say itâs either a franchise or dev they like, even if we disregard âwantingâ a new game just from pure marketing/hype/âlooksâ
-then you are now forced into the hands of Epic with 0 choice (and potentially much fewer depending on where you live)
think iâve said it before, i donât mind what other changes Epic is trying to bring to the game, in fact i approve, and even like it, but the way they are going about the majority of it, ie the exclusivity(and donât get me started on the terms), is not just disgusting and unfitting, i find it so appalling i wish it was illegal form of practice, but iâm aware of the nuances involved in whatâs going on, and even if âlawâ somehow was applicable, it likely wouldnât result in anything for Epic
them giving away freebies is great for customers, and devs as far as iâm told, and is exactly the right type of marketing. The coupon shenanigans too, they hands down easily beat Steam and most other competition in value practice that way - and is in my view the âcorrectâ âmoralâ approach to establishing dominance using their money/do their marketing and reeling in.
The currency conversion, like iâve said towards moomoo, is awesome too, while might âscrewâ some over, it also (greatly) benefits others, which is not just awesome ofc, but easily outclasses Steam, and ârivalingâ GoG (at least before their struggle)
-and if you can get a game cheaper on Epic, (or anywhere else than steam) then in my mind i think you should always go there and not feel bad about it (unless someone were weirdly hypocritical dissonant against âsomethingâ epic related @_@)
because price is a big factor in customer benefits, so Epic playing with their muscles that way iâve no issue with, remotely, and think itâs great, (kinda pissed it hasnât âinspiredâ Steam, tho iâm also affraid they might eventually fck me on regional pricing like EA did too)
and ofc the obvious, bonus love for devs, which some customers/fans might also at least in part âcareâ about beyond just a few cents savings (iâve ex mentioned for Grim Dawn to come on Epic, and it being almost âconfirmedâ made me âhappyâ, even if it means giving money to Epic, just so i can throw more money at Crate)
so there is a lot of good sht about Epic no doubt
but, that doesnât remove the sad main point,
which depending on who you are/what game it is,
if you actually want a certain game,
and your interest goes beyond the 1 year wait (provided itâs merely a timed exclusive ofc)
= then your hands are now forced as a customer, and you only have 1 choice - on an open platform/an ecosystem Epic didnât create like ex iphones, playstation xbox.
which is bs in and of itself, and doesnât benefit you as a customer, but made worse by Sweeneyâs double standards in practice.
(and donât get me wrong iâve never liked being forced linked to steam either where games/publishers didnât allow you a choice either, so iâm no fanboi of theirs for that either, and sole reason i âlikeâ steam is just to have my sht consolidated in 1 place, and they come cheap through bundles. I donât feel Valve offers âenoughâ features to warrant/âdeserveâ/accept locking you into 1 platform like that either, tho they were still less egregious about it than epic, at least leaving the decision up to publishers whether steam came on the disc or not)
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Right⌠Iâm honestly in no disagreement with anything youâve said. I think there might be a misunderstanding steming from the possible meanings of âreasonableâ (or the way I use it).
For example:
I hate the fact that I canât validate a key without activating it.
I despise the fact that Epic sued Apple and Google.
I hate the concept of DRM so much, that when I saw it for the first time (Half-Life 2 in 2004), I said âfuck that!â and didnât come back till 2016.
âŚand I have reasons to have those feelings.
At the same time I donât believe any of those feelings are reasonable to have, even if only for the fact that I have no claim to any of those businesses, or the way theyâre being run.
No matter how many reasons we might have to dislike, we still have far more things to enjoy - which I feel is rationally preferable (therefore reasonable).
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aaahhh âpreferableâ
so like in essence what you mean about the âwholeâ thing/âanythingâ negative is we can choose to âignoreâ it/not let it bother us and not be negatively âimpactedâ by a negative and just whistle instead:
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Unless weâre in the power to do anything about it, yes.
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spare tires in Dirt Rally 3.0 will be DLC, and we will be acquiring mechanics from loot boxes
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They will be SURPRISE MECHANICS âŚ
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