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So a nazi should have the freedom to try and convince other ppl that it would be a good idea to gas a subsection of society, right, since it’s just an idea he likes to discuss?

And a pedophile should have the freedom to discuss with an underage person how it would be a good idea to go somewhere together at night to discuss things in private, right, since it’s just an idea he’d like to discuss?

Do you not understand how that doesn’t work? Do i rly have to spell these things out for u?

There is literally no way someone can sincerely hold on to this view unless they’re to stubborn and proud to admit that indeed there’s a problem there, or indeed, they simply lack the means of understanding these issues properly.

That’s why there can never be “absolute freedom” of speech or of anything rly. There must be boundaries that are upheld for the common good, and indeed, if there are to be boundaries, then those boundaries must be determined by someone eventually, whether u like it or not.

These simple examples also demonstrate the problem with “absolute freedom” and “limitless democracy” btw. You see, once 51% of the population become nazis or don’t mind it because u let them infect the others, or once 51% become pedophiles or don’t mind it, or once 51% become cannibals, or don’t mind the idea, the shit hits the fan, because guess what, everyone else is now on the menu.

And if u wanna claim that these are insane examples, well, just ask Hitler about that, will u, or maybe you’ve already forgotten what happened not even a century ago in a democratic country, and it was all done through “legal” means.

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It shouldn’t have been very hard to do, my position is not hidden or obfuscated in any way. I am clearly defending one of the very corner stones of western liberal thought as it has been presented for all of the 20th century.

I fully reject your unsubstantiated opinions, though I still defend your right to have them, no matter how abhorrent I may find them and shall opt to treat them in one of the two ways I mentioned above.

@M00

This is where you conflate a bunch of different things that are not speech.

Yes. The rest of society can then tell then tell the Nazi they don’t think that’s a good idea and why that is. Having the idea as you’ve expressed it is fine. Calling for the action to be performed, urging someone to do the thing, that’s where it becomes “incitement to violence” (or any of many similar criminal titles) and that is an entirely different thing.

Since children are a special consideration in almost every code of laws in existence we treat how you interact with them differently. Children do not have the intellectual and mental barriers to resist ideas put to them, they are by nature trusting and accepting of adults and authority figures. This is why we can trick them into believing in the tooth fairy and Santa Claus. Therefor when you perform the action of implanting ideas into their heads they should not be subjected to we call that “grooming” in modern parlance. This is not allowed, it is not speech.

Of course there is a problem with holding a free speech absolutism position, it is entirely idealistic. I know we will never get there, but it is a topic where it is worth it to bring an absolutist stance to the bargaining table because if you start anywhere else what you may end up gaining is not enough.

The first step that allowed all these horrors to be legally carried out was to silence all voices of opposition.

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ok, so u do understand that there must be certain limits to “free speech,” great, so once u understand that, u can also understand that ppl will disagree on where those limits should be

and as for “calling for the action to be performed,” once you’ve allowed those evil ppl to convince enough other ppl that it would be a good idea, you can no longer prevent the thing from happening since you allowed the nazi to brainwash the others, great job, learned nothing from history

history will literally repeat itself, unless u prevent that from happening

it is happening again right now, right next to me, a literal genocide, by a “free and democratic” country, great job O disinfecting sunlight

I guess the disinfecting sunlight isn’t doing too much to help prevent genocides

oh, and how about Milosevic, well, would you look at that, another democratically elected leader guilty of genocide, damn, i guess the sun must have been taking a holiday or something, cuz it seems like it didnt disinfect shit

but dont worry guys, there’s nothing to worry about, ever, nothing bad will ever come from democratically elected fascists, cuz the sun will disinfect their genocidal tendencies, yay

oh, and as for ppl supporting Hamas:

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source: https://www.timesofisrael.com/time-fact-checks-netanyahu-interview-countering-his-denial-of-bankrolling-hamas/

Israel loves helping “Islamic” terrorists because they know “Islamic” terrorists kill mostly Muslims anyways, and they make deals with them all the time:

I’ve also said more than i wanted to at this point and these subjects make me sick and literally affect my sleep, as i just woke up after only 4 hours of sleep and thinking about this prevented me from going back to sleep, so at this point I’m withdrawing as well

all i can hope for is for common sense to prevail in general

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poor Russians, falling from balconies all the time

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as you do, when you’re Russian

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Ok, now next time do please set your differences through private messages.

@delenn13 has more than enough fights to deal with it, and I believe she doesn’t have enough head to deal with another. And no, I don’t care who’s right or wrong or who started it first.

Take your grudges elsewhere. Let’s keep this place safe and civil, at least for her sake.

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personally, i dont feel like there’s any problem with having had this discussion here. I think it serves a purpose, I think it might actually be of benefit, possibly, to whomever that may be, even if just 1 person, and i also don’t think it went beyond the acceptable, though it ofc did get somewhat heated.

I also don’t think these are grudges being played out or given into, just differences in opinion in topics that are ofc dear to the participants’ hearts

all in all, i think there’s no need for a mod to even look into it except if the subject is of interest to them

I do understand you (and potentially most ppl here) obviously feel different about that and I do respect your opinion regarding the matter

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Even after all that we can still find things we’re able to agree upon.

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happy for u man!

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Thanks. I deleted it to post on the proper place.

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