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New Shop Games - 11/16/18


#27

Ay, don’t misconstrue my disappointment with missing Hammerwatch with assuming I’m wanting a change to the system. If anything I want the coin price to go up (or more keys available is nice too), but I know the rules - games drop Friday morning, typically my busiest time but I’m not complaining.

One minor suggestion for coin shop: maybe secure some DLC content for popular major games that you’ve helped sell in the past, like Gal Civ 3, XCOM2, Dark Souls III? Specifically because it’ll automatically be restricted to those that own the base game, thus encouraging people to buy more base games if they know they can add on some DLC for coins. I’d love the Crimson Court expansion for Darkest Dungeon, but was waiting for $5 price point.


#28

Went to work then bought groceries. Missed Hammerwatch. That’s a shame…


#29

Nooooo! I missed Heros! I have 18k coins and I missed it! Come on! :frowning: well enjoy it guys. sobs in corner


#30

Shame the games were late :sob:


#32

its a slippery slope basically
once you cater to the crowd screaming about unfairness and give in to them, they will continue on and on.


#33

Simple question: do you think Valve artifically extends its sales periods so that everyone can buy those games?

And before you tell me its not the same idea: it very much is.

As it was repeated million times: its not possible to make things fair for everyone as there always will be someone feeling left out.

With limited supply of keys, extending it in regards of timezones is no guarantee you would get a key regardless, if there is like 20k ppl trying to grab 10k keys at the similar timeframe.


#34

I would have liked to buy Hammerwatch this time around but I was asleep at the time and couldn’t, oh well no big deal.

However.
Yes the single release point of keys is not fair, staggering the release of keys would make it more fair and give people around the globe a fairer chance at getting one.

Slippery slope is a really silly thing to say here, it’s not an argument and it ads nothing to the discussion. To make it one you’d have to define what it is you fear it will lead to and demonstrate how one change will inevitably lead to the undesirable situation you’ve discovered.

Plenty of other limited stock sales platforms utilize staggered release schemes in order to make it possible for people unable to hit the store the same minute the thing come available. There is no reason it could not be done for chrono.

As it stands the limited stock is pretty much earmarked for Chrono’s European userbase. Keys releasing at an almost optimal time for most of us on this side of the Atlantic while happening a bit past lunchtime for east coasters and mid morning for the most westward Americans. Why not save half the stock and release it 12h later?

Sure that would make it harder for Europeans to get a key as we’d grab the now smaller stock of keys even faster, maybe you’ll feel that’s unfair to you then? But that would just be us being used to the preferential treatment.

Sure “life isn’t fair” and of course nothing is ever going to be perfectly fair but that’s not an argument against trying to increase fairness. It’s not an all or nothing sort of deal.


#36

whats not broken doesnt need fixing and the all key distribution is NOT broken.

The moment they would copy this raffle nonse that orlygift does is the moment me (and likely many other ppl as well) would stop bothering with the coin shop altogether.

If we are to come down at this argument, the system is also seemingly “unfair” against ppl who arrive home late from work, against ppl to cannot be at home when the coin shop games gets released etc etc.
I could also list good amount of cases how for example Alienware giveaways are unfair toward European users but i dont because at the end of the day, these are games, not life necessities.

Nothing stopping ppl living in other timezones to time it in order to grab keys first, btw. I also missed out on coin shop games, yet you dont see me complaining about it and demanding Chrono staff to change the system as a result.

Neither me or you or anyone else is “entitled” for free stuff, let alone to have the coin shop releases timed specifically for them.

People should realise that lack of convenient options for them is NOT equal lack of options. First come, first served, alternatively you can just trade for it or buy it directly.

But i rather not have them going down the slippery slope of trying to please everyone while ending up screwing the majority of other users who moreless are happy with the system.


#37

Indeed, yeah? Well that’s certainly a new interesting perspective on the whole thing, I’m glad we had this discussion.


#38

Gotta love when people put words in my mouth without reading what i said previously and immediately jump on conclusions

and your idea basically sums up in: im angry that things dont go my way so they should change it so that it conveniently fits me.

Grow up a bit please as quite frankly you are extremely childish. Bloody hell, the fuss people make over not being able to grab a 12 dollar game…

Here, the store page for it: https://store.steampowered.com/app/677120/Heroes_of_Hammerwatch/


#39

You failed to make any kind of argument to support your position so there’s really nothing left for me to say.


#40

"If we are to come down at this argument, the system is also seemingly “unfair” against ppl who arrive home late from work, against ppl to cannot be at home when the coin shop games gets released etc etc.
I could also list good amount of cases how for example Alienware giveaways are unfair toward European users but i dont because at the end of the day, these are games, not life necessities.

Nothing stopping ppl living in other timezones to time it in order to grab keys first, btw. I also missed out on coin shop games, yet you dont see me complaining about it and demanding Chrono staff to change the system as a result.

Neither me or you or anyone else is “entitled” for free stuff, let alone to have the coin shop releases timed specifically for them."

There you go

The fact that you get so overly upset over a stupid video game speak miles especially when you feel the need to lowkey insult people who refute your points.
Do you know whats the difference between you and me? i dont complain just because if the system happened not to be in my favor and I would face it and move on.

If i manage to get a game i wanted to get from the coin shop: great. If not then maybe next time i will get lucky. You dont see me going around demanding for the world to change for me.


#41

Tatsuya, there’s nothing wrong with your argument on this topic or your opinion on the system as a whole, but please edit your post to keep things civil. There’s no need for rudeness or name calling and it will just cause you difficulties.

It’s great to discuss these things, but less so if the discussion devolves into causing offence. I enjoy reading other views, but let’s just keep it friendly.


#42

okay, sorry about that

I really try my hardest to be civil but I dont take it kindly when people are accusing me of saying things I never said or even implied.

Then again Ill be the better person in this. I said my piece, if people really think Im not being as unbiased as I humanly can: theres not much i can do.

@Fraggles: we can keep going in circles around this and never really reach into a conclusion so lets just all agree to disagree. I gave you plenty of rundown as to why I dont think the system can be fixed to make everyone happy


#43

The only thing that’s upsetting here is that you seem to think you’ve refuted something.

All or nothing sentiment, pointless to engage with.

Just blatantly false.

Mostly name calling and straw manning, no one has made this claim.

Sounds like projecting to me.

It IS in fact in favour for me. My argument is not for my own sake but for that of others.

No you’re demanding the world remain unchanged for you, same thing really.

All or nothing, again. Just because you can’t make something perfect doesn’t mean you can’t try to make it better.


#44

Please explain how pointing out that loophole of trying to make things fair for everyone is an “all or nothing” of my part.
Its not, and even with such system that you suggested,we would see the same complaints,except this time over ppl not catching up with the early birds with an even smaller key pool. It would be essentially putting a bandaid on a perceived problem then cutting an even bigger hole on it with a chainsaw.

Theres an old saying that everybody has time for things they really want to have for.


#45

You don’t seem to understand that while putting 2 batches of keys 12 hours apart won’t make things 100% fair it will make things MORE fair to people in different time zones. The key word is MORE here. Yes we all know from your arguements there is no way to make it 100% fair but what many of us are saying is we want it MORE fair to people in different time zones.

That really shouldn’t be so hard to understand. 2 batches 12 hours apart makes it so people in other time zones can still sleep, work or go to school and still have more of a chance to not see a popular game immediately sold out.


#46

Dont get me wrong, i see what you mean and thank you for making a well constructed reply

Its just that im doubtful of it fixing the main issue of what ppl bring up, aka keys disappearing fast, fairness or not

Actually for the sake of seeing the other side of the argument, im gonna bite: and what about other timezones than for the US? should they divide the keypool even more for lets say ppl living in SEA region as well? if not, wouldnt that be kind of a discrimination against ppl not living in EU or USA timezone?

I know you mean good with this suggestion but it feels like a slippery slope


#47

You seriously do not see how a 2nd key drop improves things or how people can’t “adapt” to deal with the one drop?

Here let me try to explain it to you.

Now lets drop another batch of keys 6h later.


Whoo boy look at that, MOST other people will have access to a new batch of keys at a very reasonable time. The pacific west would still have a bit of a complaint sure, most people wont be home from work or school by then, but do you see how huge a section of new people suddenly would have a far easier time to check the coin shop like this? Maybe make it 7 or even 8h and it’d be even better.


#48

I’ll have to start collecting coins again. Getting scarily low if you keep putting out these bangers! Instantly got myself Heroes of Hammerwatch. Thanks so much, @lonin, @dusty, @Ernin8t0r, @EMCL, @frst… also you’re growing as a company! Just saw all the new additions in the about us section! Anyway, good stuff, thanks and bye!